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    • “Hotel’s over there!” she pointed in the general direction of the Belle-St. Regis before folding her arms and frowning .    "I know, I can read signs, child," Caroline smirked.   Child?! Hmph!   “You can read?” asked Arabella, sounding surprised. But the woman dodged the potgirl with all the skill of a Yale football player, and  had moved toward Mr Flandry at the bar.   Arabella gave a hard stare at all of the fellers staring at this up-town fancy girl, some of them looked like they’d about twist their own heads off, the way they were craning their necks around. Arabella waved her hands at them, teacher like, to indicate that they should get back to their drinks and cards, and followed after the interloper.   "Excuse me, mister but is the owner of this fine establishment present? I am eager to tell her the good news," she smiled confidently.   Ralph paused then replied, "She is upstairs. Good news you say, miss?"    "Oh indeed, I can't wait to meet her. Her search for an entertainer is over. I'm here! " Caroline announced.    Ralph had to break into a bit of a smile himself at this bubbly and bold young woman, "You don't say? And you would be....?"    "I am Caroline....Caroline Mundee, and if I wasn't so modest I would add 'simply the finest saloon singer west of the Mississippi.' And if you don't believe me, you will once you hear me sing."   There wasn’t much room between Caroline and the bar, but Arabella managed to somehow sidle into it and get between the hussy and poor innocent Ralph, who, not seeming to have much to do with women, in her opinion, might be taken in by this painted lady.   “Not today, thank you!” she announced brightly. “We already have an entertainer, and that’s called me!” she told Caroline, jerking a thumb at her flat chest. “Singin’, Dancin’, Piannerin’ Cartwheels and telling funny jokes. And also, I’m an orphan, so the management don’t have to pay me one red cent!” she explained. "You look kinda pricy!"   “But don’t give up.” she continued, in mock helpful tones “There’s a town called Whitefish, just down the road, I hear the saloon there is looking for some…” she looked the curvaceous bimbo up and down “… ‘ singer’s there.”   Then she turned and shook a warning head vigorously at Mr. Flandry, as if to say Don’t be tempted by the pleasures of the flesh my son, even if there is a good deal of it on show!   But he wasn’t even looking at Arabella, he was staring at the demi-monde, polishing the same glass, with a stupid silly grin on his bearded face the like of which she’d never seen before. Maybe this entertainer did hypnotism, too, she thought; that’d explain it.  
    • "No judgin' our stories," Addy commented, "we all got our different experiences, an' reckon livin' in a saloon was...eclectic...lots'a interestin' characters, I reckon, give ya a chance ta learn different ideas."  She shrugged, chuckling.  "Most folks just hunker down in their house, go ta th' same church with th' same people, see th' same folks in town, then when they step out, it's a surprise ta them."    So many people, in her experience, never ventured more than a few miles beyond their home, not sought out experiences or people outside of their small circle.  But even if Miz Caroline hadn't been much past her saloon, the people coming and going likely provided a good array of experiences.    "I'd not be able ta sleep with all th' noise, though," she added, "one thing listenin' ta horses munchin' an' stompin' now an' then, but shoutin' an' chairs movin' an' boots stompin'...that'd keep me awake all night!"   @Wayfarer
    • [Clara and Jacob, under the Moon]   "Roughing It? I will remember that if ever I should spot it someplace," Clara declared. Then at his mention of her employer she had an idea.    Jacob shrugged. “Well, we might have very different tastes, but I don’t think you know if you’ll like something unless you try it one time.” He was presumably talking about literature.   "Say, I will ask her if she would mind if you borrow a few of her books, that is if you interested. I am quite confident she would not refuse, she is most generous that way. Just make sure you are responsible enough to return them once you have finished them."   The rustic lad shook his head almost dolefully. “No need to worry there, I do hate to borrow anything.” He revealed. “Be it as small as a tack, it sort of weighs heavy on my soul until it’s returned to its rightful owner. It’s like old adage: ‘Never a lender nor borrower be’. I’ll never be a debtor if I can help it, that’s one good thing.” The very idea of being in debt seemed to revolt his very soul. “New books to read are the one exception, that’s the one forbidden fruit that I’m tempted enough to borrow.”   His early listing of activities sounded very much like some typical boy, Wyatt would approve of any of them. Well, until he got to the part about being enthralled by staring up into the stars.  And he expressed it quite elegantly too.   "Well said, Jacob," she sincerely complimented him.    He shook his head a little in surprise at the compliment. When you talked about something as beautiful as the night sky, or the majestic scenery of Northern Montana, or a girl like Clara Redmond, well, it was hard not to wax poetical.   "So, Jacob Lutz, a poet? You are quite the unique young fellow I must say. Although it does seem rather a waste of time and effort if you simply destroy them rather than share with a reader. Perhaps they are quite good, people might just enjoy them?"   He frowned a little at that idea. “I doubt that. And I certainly wouldn't enjoy anyone reading them. It’d be like …” he searched for a suitable embarrassing simile “… being stripped naked and paraded down Main Street!” He smiled at that. “No, I think the hogs enjoy them more than any potential reader of the things, anyway.”   "Well, we do not have hogs although Father has expressed an interest someday in purchasing a few. And no, I have never attempted to write poetry. I do not think I would be very good at it anyhow. Although...."she paused then continued, "I would someday like to read at least one of yours. Perhaps you might wrote a poem about me? I would be honored of course."   “What makes you think that I haven’t already?” he grinned sheepishly, before adding “I didn’t feed those ones to the hogs. I can assure you. Mind you, though, they’re pretty well hid!”   He quickly moved on from the subject, feeling a little exposed.   “And how about you, Clara?  I know that you like to read, too. But, well, if you had a whole day off of work, how would you spend it?” he asked by way of enquiry about her pastimes.   @Wayfarer
    • Caroline took in the place, noting the long bar with a not to be scoffed at selection of bottled liquors displayed on the shelves behind it then the dozen or so tables scattered about.  Ahh yes, and even more crucial at least regarding her future employment, there was a piano in the far corner and a small stage too. Perfect! She liked it already.   Now there were a few customers within. At one table two old men were playing cards, half drained beer glasses keeping them company as they studied their cards. Another man, a cowpoke, leaned up against the bar, conversing with a bearded bartender. Could that be Mr.....Mr...Flandry, yes she was pretty sure that was the name. As for the woman owner, no woman was currently in sight.   Not quite true, there was a girl now eying her, she had paused in scrubbing the floor. At least the business tried to keep their place cleaner than some joints she had been in.  The young missie did not look pleased for some reason.   “Hotel’s over there!” she pointed in the general direction of the Belle-St. Regis before folding her arms and frowning .   "I know, I can read signs, child," Caroline smirked.   She then turned to address the bartender who by then was aware of her presence as apparently were all the men in the place. She was used to be gawked it, didn't bother her none.   "Excuse me, mister but is the owner of this fine establishment present? I am eager to tell her the good news," she smiled confidently.     Ralph paused then replied, "She is upstairs. Good news you say, miss?"   "Oh indeed, I can't wait to meet her. Her search for an entertainer is over. I'm here! " Caroline announced.   Ralph had to break into a bit of a smile himself at this bubbly and bold young woman, "You don't say? And you would be....?"   "I am Caroline....Caroline Mundee, and if I wasn't so modest I would add 'simply the finest saloon singer west of the Mississippi.' And if you don't believe me, you will once you hear me sing."  
    • [Clara and Jacob, under the Moon]   The boy certainly seemed quite sincere and enthusiastic about books and reading. Clara was impressed. It also proved something. City folk sometimes seemed to think farm people were ignorant rustics and she never liked that attitude.   "Roughing It? I will remember that if ever I should spot it someplace," Clara declared. Then at his mention of her employer she had an idea.   "Say, I will ask her if she would mind if you borrow a few of her books, that is if you interested. I am quite confident she would not refuse, she is most generous that way. Just make sure you are responsible enough to return them once you have finished them."   Clara of course had been diligent and punctual about a quick turnaround when she borrowed volumes from the kindly woman.   She then inquired about the sort of things he did for what bits of leisure time he might have between farm work, fun activities as it were. Yes, even she had occasions where she indulged in a bit of fun. Life did not have to be all work.   His early listing of activities sounded very much like some typical boy, Wyatt would approve of any of them. Well, until he got to the part about being enthralled by staring up into the stars.  And he expressed it quite elegantly too.   "Well said, Jacob," she sincerely complimented him.   But then he added a revelation she would never have guessed. Poetry. He wrote poetry?! At first it sounded hard to believe but on second thought what with all his love of books and his suprisingly impressive way of speaking, it did make sense.   "So, Jacob Lutz, a poet? You are quite the unique young fellow I must say. Although it does seem rather a waste of time and effort if you simply destroy them rather than share with a reader. Perhaps they are quite good, people might just enjoy them?"   The reality was, in fact she had declared such to Miss Emeline when they discussed books and yes, poetry, that she personally did not like poetry. It seemed foolish and held no interest for her. Still, she was not about to admit that to Jacob. In this particular case just MAYBE, she might peruse his work and approve.  Now her own favorite pastime, though granted she seldom got to do it, now seemed much more mundane. She liked to swim in the small lake just off their farm property. Nothing was more refreshing after a stretch of hard labor on a hot summer day.   "Well, we do not have hogs although Father has expressed an interest someday in purchasing a few. And no, I have never attempted to write poetry. I do not think I would be very good at it anyhow. Although...."she paused then continued, "I would someday like to read at least one of yours. Perhaps you might wrote a poem about me? I would be honored of course."        
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Next Episode: Suggestions and Planning

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Good Day All,

I know that we have several plot ideas up and I promise, we will get to using them as site-wide plots. However, in order to avoid a mega time-jump (which we will almost have to do for part of the winter months because in Montana, no one is going to be doing much during the winter)...I am suggesting the following...

  • We set the time span to September - November for the next episode.
  • We make it an open plot episode (i.e. multiple smaller plots instead of 1 overreaching theme). This way we can bring some of the Steelgrave plots to fruition and some of the ideas that JulieS has for the Wentworths and Miss Katherine. Also, any current plots that span several days / weeks, etc., can be split, moved, and continued.

Discussion and feedback is welcome. However, hold additional plot ideas or post them separately. This thread is for discussing the next episode only. Thanks!

 

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September-November sounds good.  It will allow me to get the Wentworth brothers moved in and to find jobs.  It will also allow time for my other characters to settle in and do a few things.

 

I can work with any plot that anyone else feels like doing.

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Thank you all for responding. So, to the second part of this, I am planning on sorting our IC forums into locations. Then, on our topic form where it currently has Setting and Location, we'll change that to Setting Details so if you're writing in the Kalispell forum, you'll just add specifics of where the scene takes place.

 

So, while the Season, Episode, Scene format is a good idea. I feel like it might be holding people back from leaping into other stories. Once we finish writing The Bear, I am going to change how we do this.

 

We'll set a timespan (for example the next one will be September - November, 1875), this timeframe will have a theme - My suggestion for the next one is Trials and Tribulations. Plotting will generally be open although we'll continue the backstories that have been building from the beginning of Sagas. A good example is the rivalry between the Steelgraves and Thorntons, we can heat that up a bit in the next story. We will still want to plan, plot, and coordinate so that stories eventually get finished.

 

Although we are going to a multi-forum layout for IC writing, I don't want to go overboard with creating forums that won't get used. Below is a list of suggested IC forums.

Remember, forums can always be added if we have a mega-active storyline happening in a specific location.

 

Here's a tentative layout for the IC forums. Feedback is welcome....

 

Category: Montana Territory

Forum: Kalispell

  • Belle-St. Regis Hotel
  • Lost Lake Ranch
  • Marshal's Office
  • Stardust Saloon
  • Kalispell Open (all other locations)

Forum: Whitefish

  • Saloon (need to lookup its name)
  • Evergreen Ranch
  • Marshal's Office
  • Whitefish Open (all other locations)

Forum: USA

  • States
  • Territories

Forum: The World

(no subforums)

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So while I like the idea of the different IC forums I wonder about let's say Pronto rides into town and stops at the Stardust before going over to the Marshals office, then on to the boarding house, Having covos in each place. Would we be writing in each of those forums? Seems to me it would be easier to open the post in the Kalispell forum and just writing one post on one forum. But maybe I'm not seeing the bigger picture.

 

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I think Flip has a point.  Maybe we should just keep it as a forum for each location (Kalispell, Whitefish, etc.).  It would be a lot less work trying to keep track of what is going on and where.  It also will save having the confusion of multiple stories/scenes in a location especially as it is sometimes days before people post a response in their scene and the hassle of having others wait to start theirs so that is doesn't break up the flow e.g.

 

Hotel Topic

Person A posts the start of the scene and waits for Person B to respond

Person C starts their scene (which may be on a different day) and waits for Person D to respond

Person D posts

Person C responds

Person D reponds

Person B responds to Person A

Person C responds to Pereson D

 

As you can see it would get very confusing after a while.

 

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Hey there!

 

@Wayfarer  If you think we'd use it enough, would be happy to add the Redmond Farm...however...

 

After reading the responses from @JulieS and @Flip , I am rethinking the multiple forums idea somewhat. Another scenario takes the tracking and confusion further, what about threads that ramble from Kalispell to Whitefish? Now, we can continue threads with a link to the "continued from" and "continued in" but that is seriously a pain to do all of the time.

 

Honestly, I only considered adding the additional forums due to the fact that it's how the majority of forum RPGs do things. However, regarding where each thread happens, if you hover over the title in the topic listing, a popup comes up and you can easily see the thread info (type of thread, location and setting, etc.). I honestly think our current set-up makes it more conducive to reading other people's threads because, hopefully, we write to tell a story that we all read as well as to interact.

 

1.  Should we leave things as is? One active IC forum?

 

2. Should we go to "time-frame" forums?

 

Here's what I mean by time-frame forums..... I'll use our next story as an example...

 

For our next story theme, we're considering titling it Trials and Tribulations.... it will be an open format story set during the months of September, October, and November. So, the layout would be....

 

Main Forum: Trials and Tribulations

Subforums: September 1875, October 1875, November 1875

 

What I am aiming for is that everyone feels comfortable with how we do things and feels free to start their own storylines independent of the main backstory or theme. There are major plusses and minuses to writing in multiple IC forums.

 

Okay - commence with the feedback, suggestions, ideas!

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You are the one who proposed the changes to multiple forums, our current format is fine with me. I will go with whatever is decided.

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Yes, I know I suggested it. However, I am looking for feedback to get us to what works best for us and be somewhat alluring to new members as well. I want us to always be open to improvements. 

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12 hours ago, Stormwolfe said:

Main Forum: Trials and Tribulations

Subforums: September 1875, October 1875, November 1875

I do like this format as it will allow those who want to get on with their plots to be able to do so without waiting for others to complete theirs.  It also would be beneficial for times when people are unable to post for a certain time due to sickness, real life issues, etc.  For example, if you are waiting for someone to reply in the your thread in the September forum, you can move on to October or November (unless your character is unable to do so) while you wait until the other person comes back.

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@Players

 

I think we will give the "time block" format a go for the next episode. The only precaution that we'll need to take is that people writing in October or November do not lock the people writing in September into an "ending" for their plots or scenes. That's no different than now though since we have to make sure a scene has ended before our characters can know what occurred. We'll just all have to watch our OOC Knowledge and do some coordination with one another.

 

It is a little less orderly as far as story progression, but again, not much worse than now as we are event driven rather than date driven anyway. I'll come up with a really short, logical guide before we're ready to change over.

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I have to agree with Wayfarer. I also have to add, simple is better. The early days we wrote our sagas PBEM, then we began this arduous journey into the many brands of forums that allowed for avatars and signatures, and even then we began to see multiple forums within the main one. Now it's all about the beauty of the forum and in many cases the need to understand, or at least deal with code just to get your character registered to write a story. Which is still done the same way as PBEM, typing your words in a box and hitting enter.

 

And participation has plummeted. First because of 'Star Trek On-Line' and the myriad of games to follow which stole writers by the score. And now by the difficulty of the RPG's themselves. The main reason I'm not on 'Heart Of The West.' Too difficult to become a part of it. Not worth my time. Altho I just wrestled with another game that was just as difficult to get into, only to type my words in a box.

 

I am not criticizing attempts to improve the games, not at all. I just don't see the need to to go to the extreme lengths that today's RPGs have gone to. In fact, I am working with a lady to revive a PBEM, knowing full well how difficult it will be to attract writers.

 

Whatever is decided I will remain, I am invested in this game, and I want it to succeed. End rant.

 

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I also had a look at "Heart of the West" and found it confusing and too complicated.  Keeping scenes in one thread/topic is good especially if the characters are walking or riding to various destinations.

 

For me, keeping it within time periods i.e. months in one episode is good as it allows me to keep my characters' stories moving without having to wait for other things to happen.  This of course is dependent on what plots my character is involved in but if they aren't doing nothing like, for example, Matt Wentworth at the moment - I can have him in a scene, then skip forward a few days and write another scene to continue his story arc.  If someone wants him at the hotel, this could be just be put down as part of the job and one of the many transactions/events he would have during the month.  Unless, it is important and vital to a plot, like most of us he wouldn't be paying much attention or even remember it fully.

 

Also, IMO opinion the simpler it is to join up and get going, the better.  Those new to RPGs will also be looking for something that is easy to follow.  If they know they can jump right in only remembering they have stay within the time frame of the game (and other game rules), might be a plus e.g. they can just write their own story without having to get involved with others, while they learn how the game works and get to know others to work out future plots.

 

I hope I've explained this clearly 😐

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@Flip @JulieS

 

Thank you both for your feedback! I honestly appreciate it.

 

And I do agree that one should not have to know how to code in order to write a story ;) I can do minor code things and I loathe post templates. I am on Heart of the West and it is a lovely site with great people. However, I find that I do not find it conducive to reading scenes that my character isn't involved in. I still enjoy it.

 

I chose the single IC forum format because I am a very linear / chronological thinker. On top of that, my meds impose memory restrictions on me so if the threads are "in order" then I don't have to try to remember who did what when or where who is when. It's also why we changed over to being event driven rather than absolute dates on our scenes.

 

On the "scene date" score, nothing would change there. We would just need to be careful and communicate with one another so that we don't trap ourselves into an outcome for an event. So far, we've had zero issues with that and I don't see it becoming a major stumbling block. Basically, we couldn't have Character A state in November that he and Character B did X in September unless the writer owns characters A and B. 

 

What I am hearing here - I think - is...

 

Keep it simple but open it up a bit so people don't feel restricted by the timeline? I would add also that we don't want to have to remember exact dates.

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Good Day Y'all,

So, I have been working on the site and have added some location-based IC forums. I chose to keep it fairly simple. Also, we'll keep "where" we post simple. If the thread starts in Whitefish, but the majority of the scene takes places in Kalispell, go ahead and start it in Kalispell. We can add specific location info via the tags system. Also, we can put a specific location at the top of each post. Ditto for time of day changes, etc.

 

When you start a new thread (topic), you will see that the long, complicated template is gone! Instead, you will see: 

 

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  • Title: This is the same as always, a title for your thread.
  • Tags: This is new, but easy to use. It is not IC tags. These are tags that describe your topic. Click on the + sign and type in a few keywords that designate information about the topic. Examples are specific locations such as Whitefish-Kalispell, Date such as Sept. 1875, etc. 
  • Prefix: After clicking on the + sign and filling in tags, you will see Item Prefix appear after you add your tags. Pick one of the tags that best describes the post such as the location or time and click on it. The prefix will appear next to the thread's title in the topic listing.

Then choose your character, fill  out the short header template, and write your post. Trust me, the instructions are far more involved than the actual set-up.

 

When you create a new topic, a simple header will auto-load into it. See below....

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With: List characters and NPCs in the thread.
Location: Add specific location information here.
When: May 2017
Time of Day: Time of Day (morning, afternoon, evening, etc.).

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Start your post here.

 

Just replace the notes with the thread's information.

  • With: If this is an open thread, just put Open there. If the thread is private between certain characters, list them here. You do not need to add your own character (thread starter).
  • Location: This narrows down where the thread happens. If you have put the thread in the Kalispell forum, then maybe this one is Lost Lake Ranch (hint: this should be your prefix tag).
  • When: Replace this with a more specific timeframe (example: Sept. 3, 1875) or even just the month and year. We are not going to be ultra concerned over the exact dates except where we need to have a specific event happen before another one.
  • Time of Day: Give a general time of day such as Morning, Early Afternoon, etc.

I will add the post template into the guidelines at the top of the topic listing page so that it can be easily copied and used in posts if you need to indicate major location and TOD changes but it doesn't warrant starting a new thread.

 

Hopefully, this will make everything easier and give us an at-a-glance view of what, when, where, etc.

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Plotting and Planning

Does everyone still want a three month timeframe for the next threads and plots (September thru November)? We are in August 1875 right now.

 

I do not have a major site-wide plot in mind at this moment. Instead, I was planning on focusing on smaller character-driven plots and maybe introducing my new guy (Hunter Morgan). Also, I thought we might focus more on Steelgrave shenanigans.

 

Remember, if you come up with a plot thread, contact the other player(s) here or in Discord to make sure the characters you want are available. It'll help us not trip over one another.

 

Post any questions and feedback here.

 

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PS: I am going to move our "lore" off of our Wordpress site and onto pages I've set up here. It will be one less site for me to maintain.

 

 

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I'm happy with the three month plan.

 

I've been here for about a year and we're still in August, so anything to move the story along a little bit faster is okay by me.

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Three months should do it, tho I would suppose that the winter months might go a bit faster. Or not...we'll see.:cowboy2:

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